Hi all.

I rely on the mailing list to see if there are any topics of interest or which I have any experience with. I've never been able to reply by email so whenever I post I've been used to logging in. I rarely log in without being in response to the email postings. Therefore I really enjoy both forms. Thanks Glenn for your hard work.

Nathan

I think Glenn is doing a fantastic job. He is a wonderful supporter of
the Stag concept and fraternity and his work on a 'non club' aligned
basis and on the Triumph Stag.net phorum and Stag digest is becoming
legendary.
However, if we change our posting behaviour we are in danger of not
keeping on the pressure for improvement to achieve the desired
automation.
The more pressure applied the faster the cure will arive and then
there will be no problem. It cannot be rocket science to conjoin the
postings, but if it is I am sure we can find a Rocket scientist.
PeterH

The other thing about the email list is that has has evolved its own
ethos over the years.

There is a surrounding aura of mutual respect and self regulated
civilised behaviour.

The web based blog type forums are terrible for going off topic (worse
than us) and into gossipy chat and pub like banter.

The Stag Mailing list seems to stem the uneccessary egotistical
commentary and one-up-manship that pervades the other blogs.

They all need moderators and the Stag Mailing list is so on the money
I don't think I have ever requested moderator action, unlike other
Forum where I have not contributed but have more than once, asked the
moderator to remove inflammatory, insulting and just plain incorrect
material.

The worst example I ever saw was when I worked at unipart and we had a
worldwide intranet in late 80's a message board type system.

The staff at dealers would chat on this message board.

I alsways remember an Austrian dealer entering the fray for the first
time saying

"Hello. I am Walter from Austria. I enjoy to meet with English
Colleagues of BL"

The crippling response was

" Man United 5 - First Vienna 0!"

Bad idea and it was closed down shortly after that.

PeterH

I prefer the digest. Why:

1. I read my email every day, so there is no extra time spent going to another site to see Stag postings.

2. The digest allows me to VERY rapidly skim multiple posts--and occasionally I'll stop and read something in a topic I wasn't interested in. Educates me in spite of myself. That wouldn't happen in the forum.

3. Some days there aren't enough postings to generate a digest email. Fine with me--I'm not enough of an addict to need a Stag fix every day. :-)

4. Forums can be a hassle: Good example: To post today, I had to log in. Couldn't remember password, etc..... you know the drill. That doesn't happen in my email.

5. I'm on several other car lists. I find that if there is only a forum and no email list, I tend to go the forum site only when I need help with a problem. That's probably not ideal for a forum's health/growth. And perhaps because I'm there only sporadically, it seems a much less personable list.

Thon

Perhaps it is time to move on to something like Yahoo Groups that supports not only pictures and web forums but also email listings all integrated already. No custom programming required and low maintenance. Why reinvent the wheel?
I belong to several Yahoo groups and the system works very well indeed.

The Stag Digest is like the violin or the fountain pen.
Difficult to see how it can be improved, apart from reducing Glenns workload.
Very safe, spamproof, incredibly fast to send and review, no log on,
(save for your email which you got open anyway), no links to twitter
and facebook etc and a whole bunch of other pluses previously
mentioned elsewhere.
No need for further development

Things I would like to see improved, on a more general front, are
Internet speeds
Hosting Server speeds.
Fault reporting. (When your internet goes down you never know why.
What is limited connectivity by the way?)

Equipment that doesn't lock up in such a way that it can be cleared by
rebooting.
and a mass of other 'off topic' stuff.

PeterH
Change bringing improvement is progress.
Change for the sake of change is regression.

I agree with all of your statements.
Thanks for adding to the discussion.

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On Tue, 12/14/10, tab a <EmailWitheld> wrote:

> From: tab a
<EmailWitheld>
> Subject: Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the
Forum when posting
> To: stag@digest.net
> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010,
9:52 AM
>
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>
> I prefer the digest. Why:
>
> 1. I read my email every day, so
there is no extra
> time spent going to another site to see Stag postings.
>
> 2. The digest allows me to VERY rapidly skim multiple
> posts--and
occasionally I'll stop and read something in a
> topic I wasn't interested
in. Educates me in spite of
> myself. That wouldn't happen in the forum.
>
> 3. Some days there aren't enough postings to generate
> a digest email.
Fine with me--I'm not enough of an
> addict to need a Stag fix every day. :-)
>
> 4. Forums can be a hassle: Good example:
> To post today, I had to log
in. Couldn't remember
> password, etc..... you know the drill. That doesn't
> happen in my email.
>
> 5. I'm on several other car lists. I find that
>
if there is only a forum and no email list, I tend to go the
> forum site only
when I need help with a problem.
> That's probably not ideal for a forum's
health/growth.
> And perhaps because I'm there only sporadically, it seems a
> much less personable list.
>
> Thon
>
>
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>
> Sent from
TriumphStag.NET [www.triumphstag.net]

I have to agree with Peter. I have never logged into the forum. I belong to
many other car digests and subscribe in the digest form to all of them; it
takes minutes to scan through them and pick the ones I want to read or respond
to. I don't need a lengthly email to tell me how to do it; its pretty
obvious.

I belong to the Jag forum and have logged into it 3 or 4 times until I finally
figured out how to get the digest; now I never have to log in. Instead of
adding 8 to 10 new user names and passwords to my already too long list of
those, I don't need to do anything; they just show up. If I don't want to
read any, then delete, delete, delete; takes seconds.
I am also in an antique airplane club that only has a forum type site with no
digest and I've logged into it once; too hard and I don't have the time.

my thoughts anyway,

Frank Magnusson
Wichita, KS.

I also never log in to the forum, especially as I am at work when most
of the posts are made. I can then easily see the emails in my normal
inbox and can chose whether to read, delete or reply.

I vote to keep the digest but appreciate the effort than Glenn and
Richard put in.

Dave

Frank Magnusson wrote:
> I have to agree with Peter. I have never logged into the forum. I belong to
> many other car digests and subscribe in the digest form to all of them; it
> takes minutes to scan through them and pick the ones I want to read or respond
> to. I don't need a lengthly email to tell me how to do it; its pretty
> obvious.
>
> I belong to the Jag forum and have logged into it 3 or 4 times until I finally
> figured out how to get the digest; now I never have to log in. Instead of
> adding 8 to 10 new user names and passwords to my already too long list of
> those, I don't need to do anything; they just show up. If I don't want to
> read any, then delete, delete, delete; takes seconds.
> I am also in an antique airplane club that only has a forum type site with no
> digest and I've logged into it once; too hard and I don't have the time.
>
> my thoughts anyway,
>
> Frank Magnusson
> Wichita, KS.
>

--
Dave Biggs
Principal Design Engineer, Hardware Engineering (PP.30)
Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd,
Birmingham Business Park,Solihull Parkway, Birmingham, B37 7YU.
mailto.Biggs@ftel.co.uk tel: 0121 717 6094 efax: 0121 717 6014

I hardly ever log into the forum - just seems like a hassle for various
reasons, passwords, login etc and also for me sort of out of sight out of
mind.

I check emails multiple times a day and have all stag emails automatically
pushed to a folder where I can easily search by topic and have historical
emails way back.

For me using the forum is just another thing I need to do but email is just
automatically on my frequently "attended to" things multiple times per day.

Just the same I appreciate all the administrators hard work and if the forum
is going to be easier for them I would go with that, if required, as I
really enjoy and benefit from all the stag-list content.


Regards
Joe Santamaria

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stag@digest.net [mailtowner-stag@digest.net] On Behalf Of Dave
Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:35 PM
To: stag-digest@digest.net
Subject: Re: [stag] Re: plea to log into the forum when posting

I also never log in to the forum, especially as I am at work when most
of the posts are made. I can then easily see the emails in my normal
inbox and can chose whether to read, delete or reply.

I vote to keep the digest but appreciate the effort than Glenn and
Richard put in.

Dave

Frank Magnusson wrote:
> I have to agree with Peter. I have never logged into the forum. I belong
to
> many other car digests and subscribe in the digest form to all of them; it
> takes minutes to scan through them and pick the ones I want to read or
respond
> to. I don't need a lengthly email to tell me how to do it; its pretty
> obvious.
>
> I belong to the Jag forum and have logged into it 3 or 4 times until I
finally
> figured out how to get the digest; now I never have to log in. Instead of
> adding 8 to 10 new user names and passwords to my already too long list of
> those, I don't need to do anything; they just show up. If I don't want to
> read any, then delete, delete, delete; takes seconds.
> I am also in an antique airplane club that only has a forum type site with
no
> digest and I've logged into it once; too hard and I don't have the time.
>
> my thoughts anyway,
>
> Frank Magnusson
> Wichita, KS.
>

--
Dave Biggs
Principal Design Engineer, Hardware Engineering (PP.30)
Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd,
Birmingham Business Park,Solihull Parkway, Birmingham, B37 7YU.
mailto.Biggs@ftel.co.uk tel: 0121 717 6094 efax: 0121 717 6014

I must be the odd one out then....

Never been on the mailing list, only ever used the forum. No problems logging in and I see no hassles in the way I choose.

Julian