Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

J Kuipers — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:55:35 -0500

I must be the odd one out then....

Never been on the mailing list, only ever used the forum. No problems logging in and I see no hassles in the way I choose.

Julian

RE: [stag] Re: plea to log into the forum when posting

Anonymous User — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:20:33 -0500

I hardly ever log into the forum - just seems like a hassle for various
reasons, passwords, login etc and also for me sort of out of sight out of
mind.

I check emails multiple times a day and have all stag emails automatically
pushed to a folder where I can easily search by topic and have historical
emails way back.

For me using the forum is just another thing I need to do but email is just
automatically on my frequently "attended to" things multiple times per day.

Just the same I appreciate all the administrators hard work and if the forum
is going to be easier for them I would go with that, if required, as I
really enjoy and benefit from all the stag-list content.

Regards
Joe Santamaria

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stag@digest.net [mailto:owner-stag@digest.net] On Behalf Of Dave
Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:35 PM
To: stag-digest@digest.net
Subject: Re: [stag] Re: plea to log into the forum when posting

I also never log in to the forum, especially as I am at work when most
of the posts are made. I can then easily see the emails in my normal
inbox and can chose whether to read, delete or reply.

I vote to keep the digest but appreciate the effort than Glenn and
Richard put in.

Dave

Frank Magnusson wrote:
> I have to agree with Peter. I have never logged into the forum. I belong
to
> many other car digests and subscribe in the digest form to all of them; it
> takes minutes to scan through them and pick the ones I want to read or
respond
> to. I don't need a lengthly email to tell me how to do it; its pretty
> obvious.
>
> I belong to the Jag forum and have logged into it 3 or 4 times until I
finally
> figured out how to get the digest; now I never have to log in. Instead of
> adding 8 to 10 new user names and passwords to my already too long list of
> those, I don't need to do anything; they just show up. If I don't want to
> read any, then delete, delete, delete; takes seconds.
> I am also in an antique airplane club that only has a forum type site with
no
> digest and I've logged into it once; too hard and I don't have the time.
>
> my thoughts anyway,
>
> Frank Magnusson
> Wichita, KS.
>

--
Dave Biggs
Principal Design Engineer, Hardware Engineering (PP.30)
Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd,
Birmingham Business Park,Solihull Parkway, Birmingham, B37 7YU.
mailto:D.Biggs@ftel.co.uk tel: 0121 717 6094 efax: 0121 717 6014

Re: [stag] Re: plea to log into the forum when posting

Anonymous User — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:35:33 -0500

I also never log in to the forum, especially as I am at work when most
of the posts are made. I can then easily see the emails in my normal
inbox and can chose whether to read, delete or reply.

I vote to keep the digest but appreciate the effort than Glenn and
Richard put in.

Dave

Frank Magnusson wrote:
> I have to agree with Peter. I have never logged into the forum. I belong to
> many other car digests and subscribe in the digest form to all of them; it
> takes minutes to scan through them and pick the ones I want to read or respond
> to. I don't need a lengthly email to tell me how to do it; its pretty
> obvious.
>
> I belong to the Jag forum and have logged into it 3 or 4 times until I finally
> figured out how to get the digest; now I never have to log in. Instead of
> adding 8 to 10 new user names and passwords to my already too long list of
> those, I don't need to do anything; they just show up. If I don't want to
> read any, then delete, delete, delete; takes seconds.
> I am also in an antique airplane club that only has a forum type site with no
> digest and I've logged into it once; too hard and I don't have the time.
>
> my thoughts anyway,
>
> Frank Magnusson
> Wichita, KS.
>

--
Dave Biggs
Principal Design Engineer, Hardware Engineering (PP.30)
Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd,
Birmingham Business Park,Solihull Parkway, Birmingham, B37 7YU.
mailto:D.Biggs@ftel.co.uk tel: 0121 717 6094 efax: 0121 717 6014

[stag] Re: plea to log into the forum when posting

fmags — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:12:47 -0500

I have to agree with Peter. I have never logged into the forum. I belong to
many other car digests and subscribe in the digest form to all of them; it
takes minutes to scan through them and pick the ones I want to read or respond
to. I don't need a lengthly email to tell me how to do it; its pretty
obvious.

I belong to the Jag forum and have logged into it 3 or 4 times until I finally
figured out how to get the digest; now I never have to log in. Instead of
adding 8 to 10 new user names and passwords to my already too long list of
those, I don't need to do anything; they just show up. If I don't want to
read any, then delete, delete, delete; takes seconds.
I am also in an antique airplane club that only has a forum type site with no
digest and I've logged into it once; too hard and I don't have the time.

my thoughts anyway,

Frank Magnusson
Wichita, KS.

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

bertsaxby — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:47:49 -0500

I agree with all of your statements.
Thanks for adding to the discussion.

---
On Tue, 12/14/10, tab a wrote:

> From: tab a

> Subject: Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the
Forum when posting
> To: stag@digest.net
> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010,
9:52 AM
>
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>
> I prefer the digest. Why:
>
> 1. I read my email every day, so
there is no extra
> time spent going to another site to see Stag postings.
>
> 2. The digest allows me to VERY rapidly skim multiple
> posts--and
occasionally I'll stop and read something in a
> topic I wasn't interested
in. Educates me in spite of
> myself. That wouldn't happen in the forum.
>
> 3. Some days there aren't enough postings to generate
> a digest email.
Fine with me--I'm not enough of an
> addict to need a Stag fix every day. :-)
>
> 4. Forums can be a hassle: Good example:
> To post today, I had to log
in. Couldn't remember
> password, etc..... you know the drill. That doesn't
> happen in my email.
>
> 5. I'm on several other car lists. I find that
>
if there is only a forum and no email list, I tend to go the
> forum site only
when I need help with a problem.
> That's probably not ideal for a forum's
health/growth.
> And perhaps because I'm there only sporadically, it seems a
> much less personable list.
>
> Thon
>
>
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>
> Sent from
TriumphStag.NET [www.triumphstag.net]

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Anonymous User — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:01:23 -0500

The Stag Digest is like the violin or the fountain pen.
Difficult to see how it can be improved, apart from reducing Glenns workload.
Very safe, spamproof, incredibly fast to send and review, no log on,
(save for your email which you got open anyway), no links to twitter
and facebook etc and a whole bunch of other pluses previously
mentioned elsewhere.
No need for further development

Things I would like to see improved, on a more general front, are
Internet speeds
Hosting Server speeds.
Fault reporting. (When your internet goes down you never know why.
What is limited connectivity by the way?)

Equipment that doesn't lock up in such a way that it can be cleared by
rebooting.
and a mass of other 'off topic' stuff.

PeterH
Change bringing improvement is progress.
Change for the sake of change is regression.

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

bertsaxby — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:13:10 -0500

Perhaps it is time to move on to something like Yahoo Groups that supports not only pictures and web forums but also email listings all integrated already. No custom programming required and low maintenance. Why reinvent the wheel?
I belong to several Yahoo groups and the system works very well indeed.

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

tab a — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:52:40 -0500

I prefer the digest. Why:

1. I read my email every day, so there is no extra time spent going to another site to see Stag postings.

2. The digest allows me to VERY rapidly skim multiple posts--and occasionally I'll stop and read something in a topic I wasn't interested in. Educates me in spite of myself. That wouldn't happen in the forum.

3. Some days there aren't enough postings to generate a digest email. Fine with me--I'm not enough of an addict to need a Stag fix every day. :-)

4. Forums can be a hassle: Good example: To post today, I had to log in. Couldn't remember password, etc..... you know the drill. That doesn't happen in my email.

5. I'm on several other car lists. I find that if there is only a forum and no email list, I tend to go the forum site only when I need help with a problem. That's probably not ideal for a forum's health/growth. And perhaps because I'm there only sporadically, it seems a much less personable list.

Thon

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Anonymous User — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 04:49:21 -0500

The other thing about the email list is that has has evolved its own
ethos over the years.

There is a surrounding aura of mutual respect and self regulated
civilised behaviour.

The web based blog type forums are terrible for going off topic (worse
than us) and into gossipy chat and pub like banter.

The Stag Mailing list seems to stem the uneccessary egotistical
commentary and one-up-manship that pervades the other blogs.

They all need moderators and the Stag Mailing list is so on the money
I don't think I have ever requested moderator action, unlike other
Forum where I have not contributed but have more than once, asked the
moderator to remove inflammatory, insulting and just plain incorrect
material.

The worst example I ever saw was when I worked at unipart and we had a
worldwide intranet in late 80's a message board type system.

The staff at dealers would chat on this message board.

I alsways remember an Austrian dealer entering the fray for the first
time saying

"Hello. I am Walter from Austria. I enjoy to meet with English
Colleagues of BL"

The crippling response was

" Man United 5 - First Vienna 0!"

Bad idea and it was closed down shortly after that.

PeterH

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Anonymous User — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 04:30:58 -0500

I think Glenn is doing a fantastic job. He is a wonderful supporter of
the Stag concept and fraternity and his work on a 'non club' aligned
basis and on the Triumph Stag.net phorum and Stag digest is becoming
legendary.
However, if we change our posting behaviour we are in danger of not
keeping on the pressure for improvement to achieve the desired
automation.
The more pressure applied the faster the cure will arive and then
there will be no problem. It cannot be rocket science to conjoin the
postings, but if it is I am sure we can find a Rocket scientist.
PeterH

Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Nathan — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:40:44 -0500

Hi all.

I rely on the mailing list to see if there are any topics of interest or which I have any experience with. I've never been able to reply by email so whenever I post I've been used to logging in. I rarely log in without being in response to the email postings. Therefore I really enjoy both forms. Thanks Glenn for your hard work.

Nathan

Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

StagByTriumph — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:50:32 -0500

Mike,

By all means, do post away from whatever source you use. Responses from other users only helps other enthusiasts which is the intent of these services.

Without the subscribers input to each other and actually USING the services, these lists WILL vanish, certainly if the services turn out to be a discussion group between 5-10 people as opposed to a few hundred sharing knowledge.

FWIW the numbers of users currently stack up like this as of 13 Dec 2010:

Stag List - 70 subscribers, many are TSN Forum Subscribers too.
Stag Digest - 152 subscribers
Gross Total - 222 Subscribers, some duplication

TSN Stag Forum - 920 subscribers
TSN Registry - 1199 Subscribers (852 cars registered)
Gross total - 2119 subscribers, some duplication

Once I get more replies on the subject, say over a month time frame, I can get more stats. The issue comparing Stag List/Digest to TSN Stag Forum is that many List/Digest subscribers are also subscribers on the Forum. I may have to do a list compare to get numbers of those sharing subscriptions.

So keep posting regardless of your favorite subscription, and keep commenting!

Glenn

[stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Anonymous User — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:17:38 -0500

Hi Glen,

Since you asked, I am a Stag List user exclusively. I have joined a couple
of other web site based groups, and frankly, I never think/remember to log
in and check the discussion boards. I do check email on a regular basis, so
it is easy to participate in groups that are email based - they are all
right there when I check mail. And, if you use an email client that is able
to group messages by thread, it's easy to follow a discussion, even if it
extends over many days. The fact that the email experience has seamlessly
followed me into the mobile realm is a bonus.

The perks you mentioned for the web based interface (avatars, IM, posting
tallies, etc...) aren't a big factor for me personally. Even lack of
pictures hasn't been a huge issue for me over the years.

I understand and respect your position as admin of these systems. I do hope
that the email group can continue, moving forward. I try to do my part in
keeping your work load light by not posting too often :-)

Best,
Mike Burdick
Durham, NC

PS - I would be curious to see the percentage of each group (Forum vs List)
that contribute to the discussions here. How do they compare?

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:44 PM, StagByTriumph wrote:

>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Curious, currently running about 5:1 in responses Stag List/Digest : TSN
> Stag Forum users.
>
> Please, more input from users, show support for your preferred system and
> offer your thoughts and opinions.
>
> Glenn
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Sent from TriumphStag.NET [www.triumphstag.net]

Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

randtor — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:30:08 -0500

Personally, I like the email list. I am using the forum for this post as requested. The reason I like the email is it reminds me to read the posts! If I remember (which I usually don't) I will click the link at the bottom of the email and go to the forum.
However, using it this way was pretty easy. I got the email, clicked on the link at the bottom of the page and used this website/forum to respond.
It certainly is easy enough to do. If it makes it easier for admin, then I have no issues with it.
Rand

Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

M. Stojanovic — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:16:59 -0500

I log-on to the Forum almost daily to see "what's going on" (like some people read newspapers daily). The fact that I use a computer at work and have one at home makes it easy for me.

To go back to the start of this thread, Glenn has submitted his "Plea to log in to the Forum" and kindly requested co-operation from all users. I think we should try to help Glenn by complying with his request as much as possible (and especially since the membership is still free) until a solution is found as to automatic insertion of the List/Digest replies into the Forum threads.

Miki.

Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

StagByTriumph — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:43:59 -0500

Curious, currently running about 5:1 in responses Stag List/Digest : TSN Stag Forum users.

Please, more input from users, show support for your preferred system and offer your thoughts and opinions.

Glenn

RE: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Anonymous User — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:00:21 -0500

Randall
I agree
just touch the cursor right key and the next message pops up, not in
0.05 secs but in my case in 0.5 secs. Go back with cursor left
PeterH

RE: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

tr3driver — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:54:53 -0500

> I find it very easy and fast to log-on to the Forum. The
> website opens rather fast, I click on the "Log In", click on
> the "Username" window (my name and the password are then
> loaded automatically), click on "Submit" and I'm there. Takes
> about 5 seconds.

Just for contrast, each message from the list opens for me in something like
0.05 seconds and with no clicks at all. Then if I decide I'm not interested
in replying, one keystroke (which I find faster than moving the mouse
around) deletes that message and the next one appears instantly in it's
place.

5 seconds may not seem like much, but I skim literally hundreds of messages
per day so it makes a substantial difference to me.

-- Randall

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Anonymous User — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:56:14 -0500

Bert sorry I meant Miki. What makes you log on Miki?

With a phone it makes noises when it needs looking at.
PeterH

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

bertsaxby — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:53:43 -0500

For me it would only be the ability to search all postings.
Normally I don't need to do that. I can, however, make a quick reply
'on the go' via the list.

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Peter Howells wrote:

> From: Peter Howells
> Subject: Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting
> To: "M. Stojanovic"
> Cc: stag@digest.net
> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 1:45 PM
> Miki
>
> Yes agreed but what motivates the log on action?
> PeterH

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Anonymous User — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:45:54 -0500

Miki

Yes agreed but what motivates the log on action?
PeterH

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Anonymous User — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:54:35 -0500

> I follow the postings on my phone mostly. The web browser experience leaves
> something to be desired via mobile devices.
>
I agree. We have something special.
This mobile aspect puts the list way ahead of the web based solutions
unless you have a blackberry or ipad or a netbook.
Personally I find netbook,ipad and blackberry too big physically.

My current mobile phone, mp3, email and camera are all in one. I just
would like the phone to be thinner and get charged wirelessly where
ever I am.
These things will come. PeterH

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

bertsaxby — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:49:37 -0500

I follow the postings on my phone mostly. The web browser experience leaves
something to be desired via mobile devices.

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, M.
Stojanovic wrote:

> From: M. Stojanovic

> Subject: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum
when posting
> To: stag@digest.net
> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 12:23 PM
>
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>
> I find it very easy and fast to log-on to the Forum. The
> website
opens rather fast, I click on the "Log In", click on
> the "Username" window
(my name and the password are then
> loaded automatically), click on "Submit"
and I'm there.
> Takes about 5 seconds.
>
> Miki.
>
>
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>
> Sent from
TriumphStag.NET [www.triumphstag.net]

Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

M. Stojanovic — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:23:09 -0500

I find it very easy and fast to log-on to the Forum. The website opens rather fast, I click on the "Log In", click on the "Username" window (my name and the password are then loaded automatically), click on "Submit" and I'm there. Takes about 5 seconds.

Miki.

Re: [stag] Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

bertsaxby — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:40:50 -0500

My .02. I like the list because it isn't yet another website that I have to camp in for half the day to keep up. If it goes 'all web' it will be a great loss.

Re: [stag] Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Anonymous User — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:39:02 -0500

I agree 100% I like Email lists like this, and prefer them to site-based fora.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UB "uncle jack"
2004 Suburban 8.1
2005 Lotus Elise
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4
pethier [at] comcast [dot] net
[www.flickr.com]
[www.triumphtransamerica.org]
[www.mnautox.com]

----- Original Message -----

> From: "Peter Howells"
> To: "StagByTriumph"
> Cc: stag@digest.net
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 3:37:44 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: [stag] Plea to log in to the Forum when posting
>
> For me the whole point of the stag@digest.net is that the postings
> come to me in my email inbox. I do not have to do another 'log in' to
>
> a website.
>
> If we will be forced to log in then this makes the List the same as
> the SOC forum
>
> I have never written to the SOC forum because it is necessary to log
> in.
>
> The beauty of the Stag Mailing List is that sometimes nothing happens
>
> for days on end and then there is a flurry of activity. This
> variation in posting volume is clear to sense as it manifests in
> emails in my in box.
>
> It is also the safest and most secure internet resource as all
> attachments are stripped and photos have to be by way of another url.
>
> There is no way you will ever get a virus from Stag Mailing List or
> have the list hijacked by porn vendors. Your links however will get
>
> converted into hyperlinks automatically.
>
>
> The same is true of the other mailing list I subscribe to which is
> about a Lotus smartsuite software, no longer supported by IBM but
> there are some experts out there to assist with the obsolete yet
> amazingly powerful database called Lotus Approach.
>
>
>
>
> PeterH

Re: [stag] Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

Anonymous User — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:06:31 -0500

Thanks and glad it worked. I was beginning to think there might be a bug
PeterH

Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

taylormoran — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:50:13 -0500

Thanks Peter and Glenn. I have unsubscribed for now. If I feel left out I can always opt back in again ;)

Re: RE: [stag] Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

StagByTriumph — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:25:59 -0500

Peter,
Thanks for the detailed reply.
I started this discussion to get exactly your type of feedback to use as a gage to add features.

As I mentioned in a previous message above,

Quote
For me the idea is to at least make the attempt to provide the best service to all users and enthusiasts here and those still using the Stag List & Digest which has served us for many years before TSN and the Forum.

Since there are still a small percentage of folks still using the Stag List and the Stag Digest and who actually make posts and responses, I will continue to work on the daily or weekly merge of the anonymous postings that come in from those mail servers until I can automate the function somehow - or until the users of those sites drops to no contributors. (Any script programmers out there who want to help writing a merge script?)

The "posts into your regular email" feature that also removes attachments, fortunately I found a module I can add to provide for that option of "email All Posts" to be set by the forum user. I hope to have that installed as soon as Oliver gets it installed in my site testing area and I verify it works as advertised.
Currently a user can be selective of receiving only those posts via email they are interested in by ticking the tick box under
Options: Follow Topic - Email me about replies to this topic - located in the top of the reply editing window.
Right now I have 3980 unread emails relayed through the Stag List in my Triumphmail - Stag inbox, but I use that as a tool to make sure the links are active between the Stag Forum and the Stag List (hence the Sent from TriumphStag.NET [www.triumphstag.net] at the bottom of those messages), and to also see how often I have to go in and merge topics.

The Forum Login can be automated on your personal computer by checking the remember login option so all you need to do is open the link to the Forum. I may need to have a look at that feature setting again ... ;)

I will continue to add maintenance reducing and feature rich user options to improve the experience for all the users, on and off the Forum.

At the same time I would like to hear from more users on both the List / Digest and the Forum sides. The service is here for all Stag enthusaists, so pipe up!

Cheers!

Glenn
TSN Admin

Peter Howells Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> For me the whole point of the stag@digest.net is
> that the postings
> come to me in my email inbox. I do not have to do
> another 'log in' to
> a website.
>
> PeterH

Re: Plea to log in to the Forum when posting

M. Stojanovic — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:56:45 -0500

Another problem with the replies coming from the Stag List/Digest is that, when they are subsequently merged with the original Forum thread, the thread is again marked as having new posts (when one logs-in) although one has already read those posts while they were separate "RE:" replies. So, it is a bit of time wasting for those who log-in to the Forum (in addition to Glenn's time spent to merge the replies). I believe a solution can be found with co-operation of all members.

Miki.